They look like a great race, in fact I am really excited to play WoW just because of them. I always wanted to play a brute that is noble and aside from SB which we all know sucks hardcore, (disclaimer its my opinion, if you do not hold the same thats fine.) no other online rpgs allow you to play.

Anyway, I am assuming that there is going to be some penalty for them since they can run at mount speed without a mount. I am just curious as to what you people think that may be.

Irregardless I am very pumped up to play a Tauren Warrior.

I'm sure the Tauren are goign to have to use mana for plainswalking.  I am goign to play tauren only myself.  Just because of WC3 I have grown to love the tauren.  Right now I play Galka White Mage in FFXI because they are kind of like tauren lol.  :)  Plainswalking will probably have a high cool down too..

They won't use mana for plains running, and they won't be able to just run at mount speed. Plains running is a racial ability that's similar to a mount, only they probably get acces to plainsrunning earlier than other players acces to a mount, but they will have to turn plainsrunning on and they can't fight while plainsrunning, and it probably even has a cooldown.

i dout it will use mana or have a cooldown, that would be too much of a blow to tauren p layers since ANY other race could use a mount without a cooldown or ussage of mana as we know

i think taurens downfall will be there quickness since they are more brute stregth

there big slowness in fighting but strong attaack

plains walk take mana

not able to ride mounts

probably will not have much mana to cast spells for the first few levels

very slow besides plains walk.. may not be able to run from creeps with when tauron has low mana

A lot the ideas to me seem just thrown out there.

I dont think speed will have much of a factor along with strength. From my experiance with online role playing games is that starting stats only help out in the beginning but the end game everyone will have similar stats.

Now as for Plainswalking and it costing mana or whatever to use, I do agree thats a kick in the shins for the Tauren race, if it is implemented like that. Sure I can use it at level 1 but how fair is it that I wont be able to keep up with my groupmates when they are traveling on their mounts and I have to stop every so often to regen mana or endurance?

I really want to play a Tauren not for any huge benifits but because I love the look, and the concept of a noble untainted race (like orcs but they have deamon taint in their history, not saying its real bad but not my style.)

If I will be penalized by a real negitive like having my run speed/mount effected to the point where I cant keep up with other non tauren when they get their mounts I will be a tad miffed.

"I'm sure the Tauren are goign to have to use mana for plainswalking"

Where do you all get this idea? Source, and I'll be happy (maybe).  There is NO reason for plainsrunning to cost mana.  It isn't a spell, it is a racial ability.  It just means they can run for a VERY long distance without getting winded.  They can't fight during this time, and they probably don't move as fast as characters of other races on mounts.   That in itself balances the whole thing out. 

He might have a point.  I don't see on the blizzard site that it will take any mana.

I believe it should be equal. I think it should scale up as you level up like SoW does in EQ. Because if they make it slower then mounts or if they make it so tauren have to stop it will seriously hinder groups that run together if the other races have their mounts.

To penalize it, I believe is stupid, it should be the same as mounts or none at all. It will be a boon at the beginning levels but later on it will just be troublesome if we cant keep up with our guildmates or groupmates.

in reality though, in Warcraft 3 the tauren were always the ones slacking behind, yet, they can run faster than anyone in WOW

I agree, but everything in the RTS games cannot coincide with the rpg. Simply because if that were the case Taurens would be more damaging in melee then any other class. There were an awsome unit to use. But why play an orc warrior if you couldnt in the end equal a Taurens strength in combat with gear? The way online games work is that in the end everything balances out so really only special racial abilities are  the things that decipher the difference between classes.

for example lets say tauren start out with 150 str, and orcs start out with 100, now at this poin in the game a tauren will hit a lot harder then an orc warrior. But by the end game gear comes into play and an orc has 300 to a Taurens 300 while the Tauren added str, he also focused on making his agility to match other races agility so he wouldnt be lacking in that area.

Anyway hope that clears it up. So while I do want WoW to hold semi consistant with the RTS game there has to be some changes in order to have people enjoy what they want to play.

Another example is why would the Horde Ally themselves with the undead? That doesnt make sense but in order for people to be able to play undead they came up with something to fit them in.

Think of it this way, you are your guild want to raid a Dragon, which takes quite a bit of travel to get to it, well your main tank is a Tauren warrior, you CANT do anything without him because he is the only one capable for tanking the dragon. Well would you not be annoyed that everyone has a mount but has to constantly stop due to the Tauren having to stop and regen his endurance so he can sprint again?

I totally agree with Tauren4life. If you were to balance everything the game would be too boring anyway. So they give us Taurens plains running as a racial ability... I'm not one to complain. I'm really going to have fun when WoW finally gets in my hands. *rubs hands together in anticipation* :GRIN:

...The Night Elf hunter stared incredulously at the scene unfolding beside her. The two Tauren brothers who had formed a temporary alliance with her team to help defeat the pack of furbolgs attacking a small settlement were matching her mount pace for pace. They didn't even seem to be breathing hard.

When asked, the Tauren named Dolm just looked at her and shrugged. "The elder ones, the Council of Drazzilb just decided to make us this way" he said with what she would swear later as a twinkle in his eye...

I agree with you on a lot of things, most of what you said there.

Now, just to point out....an orc warrior and a tauren warrior, for example, won't ALWAYS end up being the same.  An orc will be more agile when it is lower, tauren will be stronger when it is lower, I agree there.  But no one is saying the tauren will try and balance its lack of agility out...if you're going to tank, a tauren will almost always make a better tank (specifically just pumping strength and constitution) because he starts higher, and probably has a higher cap.  However, while the orc may not be as good of a tank, the orc warrior will probably be more of a well rounded, and even possibly a better warrior, able to complete a more diverse set of tasks than the tauren warrior. 

Hmm, I agree with that too. Depends quite a bit on the player as well. But hey, Taurens just own. THEY'VE GOT RAWKFIST! I'm going to make my warrior complement my bro's shaman. At least that's what I think he wants. He hasn't even decided on his name yet... But I suspect it'll be hard pressed for any other race to match me for strength. :GRIN:

...after four hours of grunts and groans, the dwarven hero finally conceeded in the arm wrestling match against Dolm. Ever the sportsman the dwarf bought a round of drinks for the whole tavern...

Gith,

My point wasnt to say that everything will ALWAYS end the same. But I garantee that the top level Tauren Warrior in end game gear will have the exact stats as a Orc Warrior of the same caliber. Simply put lets look at Ogres in EQ they start out with around 150 starting str as a warrior, but the cap for all racial melees for str is 305 + whatever the new expansion grants. All warriors be they half elf or a puny wood elf can hit this cap easily in Time (highest level gear minus the GoD expansion which just came out. I am not saying that WoW will do the same thing as EQ did but EQ is the model for the newer online rpgs. They could go the DoAC route and have stats cap based on starting stats which would be better, but we will have to wait and see.

The whole point I was trying to make is that they must make Tauren Plainswalking the exact same as a mount in as far as duration and speed. Or have a Tauren be able to do a quest on par with what it takes to get a mount to get the equal footing in the speed and duration. My guess and hope is that it will be less until level 40 when other player characters can get mounts, then it will upgrade to permanent like mounts of course having to stop running when engaged in combat like other PCs do with their mounts. If not this seriously hinders groups, guilds and those players who want to play the race they want to play because they like them.

It just can't be used for an extended peeriod of time.

Xal We already know that it will be only used for a certain period of time. My whole point to this thread is to point out that it will cripple Tauren in the long run unless there is something they can do about making it sustained to mounts.

GOOD FREAKING QUESTION.
Considering they are bigger than neutral Bears you have to face (which tower over you), they betetr have a weakness.

They're like twice the height of an undead that I saw in a screenshot. Haven't seen one with a gnome yet though. :GRIN: Anyway I'm sure Taurens will attack slower and perhaps miss more with lower agility. But when the hits connect... well, they disconnect things.

And sizewise it wouldn't be too hard for any archer to miss him... Unless of course his hands were bound and he had to shoot with his feet.

...Bulbab the gnome sat fishing by the lake when an ominous shadow fell over him. He thought his life had come to its end but when the Tauren took out a fishing rod he knew differently. He just made space and the two of them fished onwards up till the moon was high and the stars were out. Then, they got cooking...

Its always a common misconception that just because something is bigger it is slower. If you have ever use any type of melee weapon in real life you would know that strength helps tremendously in control of the weapon. Sure enough if someone is using a two hand axe and has tremendous strength they will most certainly fight better then someone who is dexterous and not very strong. But on the same note if someone is strong trying to use a Rapier vrs someone who is dexterous they will definately suffer. That being said I am guessing that Tauren may swing slower then other races or maybe not. We just have to see how things balance out.

To me Agility is something that is used for dodging and avoiding damage then it is for hit rate. While Dex may effect hit rate for certain types of weapon I beleive strength will be the deciding factor for the axes, hammers are other big damage weapons. While sword may be a combination of Dex and Str and Rapiers and daggers will be dex.

Anyway we will just have to wait and see for ourselves.

Um. . . tauren arn't orcs. Orcs rule. Have u seen an Orc in full plate with a helmet? How bout a tauren with a helmet. U will see what i mean. Tauren also are very slow and miss allot. They can only use maces for the first 10 levels and maces suck. Tauren cant be rogues (the sweetest class) and druids, i will just say it, suck.

... wait have you even played WoW.  Tauren are same speed, have same miss rate, and can use same weapons as anyone else in the same class as them.  tauren also have an invaluable abbility called "warestomp" that freezes everyone in there tracks for 2 or so seconds.  it is true, taurens cant be rogues, but the druid class has a "rogue form" that has stealth so they are not without sneaking around. Though i am a human player, tauren for sure do not suck.

I dont get it, cant Tauren mount on Kodo?

Ya but if they had plainsrunning, they wouldnt have a cooldown, they would go just as fast as all other mounts, and it wouldnt use mana.  Considering Tauren warriors dont use mana.  Basically it would be just like a regular mount except you would be on one.