i was just thinking, in the warcaft expansion, it never really noted or even mentioned that the night elves join the human alliance with stormwind.  They seemed to end the game still as the solo sentinal and druid nation in kalimdor. anyone know anything i dont about this.

They could have joined the Horde, but because of Hellscream who killed their Demi-god. They joined the Alliance. But NE are friendly to Tauren, but i don't think they like Orcs, and Trolls very much.

And WoW takes place a couple years after frozen throne so they had that much time to join alliance so my guess would be around that time they made it official   (not sure though)

i had a though.  Maybe the main members of the aliance are the Humans, dwarfs and Gnomes, and the Night elves are some far off allies of them in Kalimdor.  Likewise, the tight bunch in the horde are the Orcs, Trolls and Tauren, and the Undead are kinda a far off ally of theres thats an ally, but, not to the extent of the other races.  i dunno, it just seemed the night elves valued there seclusion so much that joining the alliance directly would go against there morals

I think they are in the Alliance, not just a distant Ally. Same think goes to Undead, but they use the Horde, to do evil thinks, but Thrall and Cairne are suspectiong Undead to be betreyals in the end.

Still cant believe they killed cenarius... he was so powerful! That wasnt cool!

Lol there's more to come...

I havent had much time to play Warcraft with SWG/wow eating my time.... I know the story and all... i just havent played it through... I forget how far I actually am though, I have TFT I just never opened it lol..

NE and the Alliance made truce during wc3roc. I guess they realised they had to stick together to survive even after they killed Archimonde

my apoinion is that they are more made and styled for the alliance because the horde is too dreadful and barbaric in nature but still a very noble the orcs are but the alliance are more soft and have a more of a touch of kindness and that is why the NE are alliance i think and they strive to protect the forest and the alliance may be more help then

but didnt the humans and the orcs also make the truce? there killin each other now though

Jaina's humans made a truce with the Horde, but many of Wrynn's humans consider her a traitor.

The Night Elves allied with Jaina and Thrall in WarCraft 3, but there is no record of them making any deals with the humans of Azeroth.

youre actually right when i think about it but something maybe changed under the last year between TFT  and world of warcraft

I think it all has to do with the underlying distrust of everyone.. The NEs are in the alliance because they trust them more than the Horde and will kill the Horde if they come too close to their lands.. IE may not have open war against anyone but if a enemy party showed up in their land they may be inclinded to kill some.

i remember the night elf not liking the orcs 'green skins' because they had no respect for the trees. i agree with Jeffowa in that the night elves are only distant friend of the alliance as the undead are distant allies of the horde.i mean just look at the geography, heh.

i think what is more interesting then why the night elves are apart of the alliance is why the undead joined the horde. i can't wait untill the story of WoW is released and it puts together all these pieces. and i also really hope the story explains why warlocks are avaliabe to the alliance.

It always seemed to me that the tauren were just kinda helping someone and not really joining any sides at all. Same with the night elves. I had the feeling they were saying i'll help you but get out of my forest first.

Well, it's not specifically the Undead that are Allies with the Horde. It's the Forsaken, Undead would include the Scourge which pretty much all are at war with. And doesn't it say pretty much that the Forsaken are allied with the Horde abit out of convinience, being that othervise they would be all alone against the powers of the Alliance and the Scourge.

Have you guys read the end of the User Manual that came with WoW?  It goes through a rough history of everything up until this point.  You can also check this out:  http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter1.html#1

SPOILERS!--------------------------------->>

The Frozen Throne was basically centered around the Arthas and Illidan conflict.  Illidan's orders were to kill Arthas and the Lich King before they became too powerful.  At this time, Arthas had been warring with Sylvanis (I think that is her name) for control of the ruined city of Lordaeron - undead rebellion and uprising kind of thing.  But Arthas left that conflict to save his king and mentor Ner'zhul.  He came to the Frozen Throne ahead of Illidan and ended up taking two more items - a Helm and a Breastplate, which imbued him with great power, just like his sword Frostmourne did.  With this, he was able to turn back Illidan and drive out the demonic threat once and for all.  Arthas became more powerful than anyone Warcraft has ever seen.

He was able to squell the rebellion in Lordaeron and allowed Sylvanis to stay in the Trisfall Glades, the only Undead territory that she controls.  Trisfall Glades is n00b town for Undead.  Arthas controles the whole of Northrend.

During this conflict, Maiev (that Night Elf jailer) was vigilantly seeking Illidan, whom she felt was wrongly freed from his prison.  Through a series of unfortunate events, a group of High Elves found themselves cut off from the Sunwell, and changed their name to Blood Elves.  Maiev captured Illidan, only to be defeated by this group of Blood Elves, who then allied themselves with Illidan in return for Magic (since they were otherwise cut off).  And, as we know, Illidan was defeated and driven back to the Outlands by Arthas.

Malfurion and Tyrande returned to Ashenvale Forest before most of this Frozen Throne conflict started, so they were not involved.  Also, during this conflict, there were some small problems between the Orcs and the Humans involving the return of Jaina Proudmoore's father.  He wanted to destroy the Orcs, but Jaina decided to defend her new allies and was forced to kill her father.  At this point in time, I was not really interested in the Humans so much, so I don't care what she did.

So where do things stand now?  Why have the Orcs again allied with the Undead forces?  Why have the Taurens done the same?  Why have the NightElves allied themselves with the Humans and Dwarves?  I really don't know.  I would like to find out, tho, because the end of the Frozen Throne story was not indicitave of these things happening.  There's some part of the story I am missing...

In warcraft, when thrall helped the tauren fight off the centaurs, Cairne Bloodhoof (Tauren leader), pledge an everlasting alliance to the orcs. Thats why the tauren are in the horde.

As for the nightelfs, when Archimonde attacked the world tree, the humans and the orcs came to help the nightelf. And the nightelfs are all ancient and stuff.. and now owe there lifes to the humans, for saving them. Even though they like to stay distant. Thats why the Night Elfs are in alliance.

As for the orcs and humans splitting, i think.. that when Jaina's dad came back. He ordered an attack on the orcs, still thinking that they were bloodthirsty killers. Im not sure that Jaina killed him.. but i know that General Proudmore attacked the orcs and because the alliance between the orcs and humans were already very weak, the attack broke the alliance between the two races.

As for the undead.. there the forsaken, and are no way related to Arthas and his undead army.. In fact they are arch enemies. Sylvanis hates Arthas for not letting her die, and she made the "Forsaken" who are not really part of the horde. But i suppose that they have joined them because the horde also hate Arthas and want to destry him.. no real alliance here... jsut to even out the teams :P

Ya'll have this a little wrong.

In Warcraft III, Cairne Bloodhoof pledged allegiance to Thrall.

After helping the Taurens out, Thrall came upon Hellscream and the Warsong clan in bitter battle with humans on Kalimdor. Thrall ordered Grom not to attack the humans unless attacked first, but Grom continued to fight the humans savagely. Thrall joins in, and they get over the Stonetalon Peaks

Thrall reprimands Grom for disobeying orders and sends him north to Ashenvale Forest to build a lumber camp in preparation for Thralls arrival (thus, the presence of the Warsong Lumber Camp currently in Ashenvale forest.) The night elves attacked the Warsong clan as they were chopping down the trees, and Grom fought them off. Eventually Grom found the well poisoned by Mannoroth the Destructor, turned all his buddies into Chaos Orcs, and killed Cenarius.

Thrall shows up and freaks about what Grom did, they run off to kill Mannoroth (I forget exactly why) and succeed, which frees the Orcs from the tainted bloodlust that Mannoroth had introduced to their peoples so long ago.

Eventually Medivh shows up and calms everyone down. Jaina, Tyrande/Malfurion, and Thrall reach an accord that they will ally with eachother to kick the demons all over the place, and they do. Archimonde is destroyed, taking out Nordrassil as well.

Everything from here on is outlined in TFT.

Jaina goes to Theramore Isle in Dustwallow Marsh to build her little castle and make a human kingdom. Thrall takes the Horde to the eastern Barrens and designates it Durotar, then builds Ogrimmar. There is a truce between Jaina and Thrall, and the Night Elves are more or less no longer in the picture there, since the Stonetalon Mountains are generally keeping them apart.

Rexxar, an ogre, helps Thrall find out that humans have been invading his lands. Thrall sends Rexxar to Theramore to speak with Jaina, who proclaims to have no knowledge of the attacks. When Thrall offers to take her to an encampment of troops and show her the proof, she accepts. They get to the encampment, and Naga's have slain all the humans there. They kick all the Naga's around, find a single living prisoner, who dies before he can say much more than "Wow, Lady Jaina, I can't believe we found you!"

They go back to Theramore, and Admiral Proudmoore (Jaina's father) shows up. Turns out, it was him who was instigating against the orcs, because he's unable to accept that the orcs are okay (gotta remember, the Admiral's entire life has been spent fighting orcs.) Rexxar escapes and returns to Thrall, explains the situation, and they go off to Theramore. Rexxar, Thrall, and enventually Jaina, go in and kill the admiral.

They still have a truce afterwards, but it's been stretched pretty badly. Lots of humans think Jaina is a traitor for even speaking to the orcs, and lots of orcs distrust the humans and respond with any action that could even possibly be aggressive by killing them. This includes trespassing. The truce is, effectively, over.

As far as the Night Elves... I believe that Malfurion and Tyrande went to the Eastern Kingdoms and met with the allied resistance there. I forget exactly, though. I agree that it's not perfectly explained why the Night Elves ally themselves with the Alliance, but I don't think it's too far-fetched.

The Forsaken, on the other hand, have absolutely no reason to be allied with the Horde. If Blizzard gives some kind of story for *how* they came to be allied, then I'll accept it. Currently it's just a cop-out; "Oh, they're in need of allies, and the humans want to kill em, so they picked the Orcs." Whatever.