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Master Looter Posts: 1492 Joined: 26 Dec 2003     | |
Dungeon Crawler Posts: 788 Joined: 17 Dec 2003   |
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Apprentice Posts: 4 Joined: 27 Jan 2004 | You my good sir are a brilliant businessman. You are definitely going to high places in life with your clever reasoning skills. Aga-Sucks, it must be good to have your little cat brain and live life as if it were a box of chocolates... |
Killed 10 Boars  Posts: 24 Joined: 1 Feb 2004  | Hey, at least parents can't blame Blizzard for their kids being obsessed with the game. They would be discouraging it. Then again its not a good idea for when your raiding all day with your guild or a group of friends to suddenly have your main tank start getting weaker because he was online for 10 hours. |
Dungeon Crawler Posts: 788 Joined: 17 Dec 2003 | They really did consider this a pretty good idea I guess :) |
Looking For Group  Posts: 140 Joined: 1 Jun 2004 | I onlyhave one thing to say for this proposal........ HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA thats all folks |
Dungeon Crawler Posts: 510 Joined: 11 Jun 2003    | well since a rest system is in the game the point is mute. If you want my oppion it is more of a handy cap for casual gamers then a boon. The way it works is if you are logged out you get a "Rested" bonus. which is 200% exp for a certain amount of time. This certainly helps you level faster, but you kill less mobs thus get less money and less loot. So now you are higher level but using sub-standard gear. IMO its just going to add to the frustration of the casual gamer. But i can't speak for them. =) |
Epic’d Out  Posts: 5986 Joined: 28 May 2004     | There is a reason WoW is having the rest system. They dont want people to be lvl 60 by the end of the day, which most hardcore players can do.
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Adventurer  Posts: 224 Joined: 5 Apr 2004 | Great idea. Really lets punish people for playing. My simple conclusion = Stupid idea My idea =======>I think they need to ship the game with handycap skill cheating exp building and crafting editor software also just like D2 omg that would be so great. ok sorry im going to sleep now almost an hour past my bed time. :SMILE: |
Epic’d Out Posts: 5986 Joined: 28 May 2004 | Its not a punishment, they are trying to encourage people to play casually. If you look at the official WoW site, youll see their reasoning behind it. If you dislike it, send them an e-mail.
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Dungeon Crawler Posts: 510 Joined: 11 Jun 2003 | yeah its not really a punishment at all. You get an experience bonus for killing while rested (in the order of twice as much) but quest experience is the same. its not a punishment to powergamers. Like i said theonly downside i see is the causal gamer that levels off of half the mobs, thus not getting the same amount of gold or drops... But like thats not an issue for me, im not a casual gamer =) |
Adventurer Posts: 224 Joined: 5 Apr 2004 | I wasn't talking about the rest system. I was talking about this threads idea of punishing the power gamer by giving them less experiance if they play more than so many hours in a day. |
Adventurer Posts: 264 Joined: 29 Feb 2004 | NO! Sorry but this is dumb. If i pay 15 dollars a month and you pay 15 dollars a month, why should i be punished for playing 20 hours a day? NO! |
Master Looter  Posts: 2314 Joined: 4 Feb 2004  | Original Post was made before the rest system was even thought about. The rest system is designed so that people who log on and play a lot still get 100% xp, and people who dont play end up getting 200% xp for up to a full level's worth of xp. To be rested when you log, log out inside an inn. |
Adventurer  Posts: 245 Joined: 24 May 2004 | Wow, so this guy almost, in essence, predicted the rest system. Weird, was blizzard really reading these boads at one point a year ago? Oh well. I figured a way around this of course. Have 2 toons. Once your main drops down from rested to normal or below normal, just log onto the secondary toon and have a ball. :evil: |
Dungeon Crawler Posts: 788 Joined: 17 Dec 2003 | why do people continue to pretend that there is some magical difference between calling rested state 200% xp and normal state 100, instead of calling normal 50% and rested 100? Don't get me wrong, the implimentation of the rest state doesn't hold back the powerleveler much at all, and I wouldn't call it a punishment, but it is certainly reasonable to classify it as a penalty for playing longer. |
Master Looter  Posts: 2159 Joined: 30 Mar 2004 |
I agree completely. At this point I'm a very casual player and haven't gone out of rested in quite awhile, so the fact that casual players pretty much stay permanently in rested state definately means that not being in rested is more of a penalty than saying being in rested is a bonus. But either way, its not that severe, and doesn't affect tradeskills and quests, so it could be worse. Heck, at one point, it was a LOT worse. |
Master Looter Posts: 1492 Joined: 26 Dec 2003 | First off, Aga Sucks, I would prefer for you to stop insinuating profanity. I'm sure someone of your intelligence can come up with a better adjective(forgive the spelling) than Sh:tty. Secondly, I completely disagree with you. I see the points that you are making, but, for one, a rest system is already implemented. Also, a person that pays 15$ a month for a game should be able to play for however long they can keep their eyes open. Also, if your worried about falling behind, too bad. Theres no reason for you to get upset, because everyone will be re-rolling characters. Besides, I want some high-level folks on my side, simply because I am a casual gamer, and I have a life. But I have no problem with folks who feel it's worth to play 24/7. |
Apprentice Posts: 4 Joined: 23 Oct 2004 | You shouldn't make a 10 hour rule that wouldn't be fair. What you could do is Limit the number of drops that an item drops for someone IE the blade of killing drops for Joe Smoe UBA LEET and he sells it off now the Blade wouldn't drop for him at the same rate as someone that hasnt gotten one yet. If he doesn't sell it off he wouldn't need to sit there anymore becuse he would already have the blade. You could use this rule on major items and good items that you can sell or trade. As you get good items the drop rate would go down for that item for that person and therefore stop farming to buy and sell items. But to put a limit on exp to stop lvling is not gonna work and its not fair to people that want to lvl. |
Master Looter  Posts: 1315 Joined: 12 Jan 2004  | I don't understand the logic behind saying that at normal you get 100% is actually getting 50%. I understand what you mean but I don't understand why you feel you are getting nerfed for being a powergamer. Its not like someone is going to get this boost the whole time they are playing, and even if they did you will be so much farther ahead of them by the time they reach the level cap its not even a contest. All it is is a boost to help a casual gamer expierence more content of the game without having to put in tons of senseless hours grinding away bored. This is a great idea on Blizzard's part and one that will help keep a lot of casual players paying every month.
What I also find really funny about this thread is people still yelling at the original poster like 6 months after he posted this message. What's even funnier is everyone flamed him for being stupid then about a month after this post was made, Blizzard actually implemented a rest system similar to what he said...but its now been changed. |
Dungeon Crawler Posts: 788 Joined: 17 Dec 2003 | I'll try again to explain it then. The only thing about experience numbers that is actually relevant and meaningful in any mmorpg is the ratio of things. 1 million billion experience means nothing if it takes 50 zillion to level, right? Similarly, it doesn't matter whether they claim its a bonus for being well rested, or a punishment for being unrested, because it still comes down to one state getting double the experience of another state. And, while I support the rest system, it is pretty inconceivable that people don't see this as a nerf to the powergamer: Because they spend more time in the game than I do, they receive less of a reward for one hour of hunting than I do. That isn't fair, imo. I only support it because powergaming itself has other benefits to character strength that aren't quanitifiable simply by looking at one hour of xp hunting. But we should all recognize the rest system as a band-aid attempting to cover up a design flaw of every mmorpg we've ever played: that they cannot accomodate both types of players within the game itself. I rank it right up there with grouping xp bonuses; an arbitrary effect that attempts to make up for errors in game design. |
Apprentice Posts: 6 Joined: 10 Nov 2004 | The whole point if the rest system isnt to punish power gamers. Its so "normal" folks who have jobs/families can play the game and feel like they're getting somewhere. Without it if you can only play for a few hours a week you'll still be in the start zone a month later - thats gonna bum people out big time. More people = more money for blizzard = more they can put back into the game. Dont see someone elses good fortune as a personal quest to destroy everything you work for or something. Its a positive step that makes stuff fun for everyone. Just to put my slant on the above too - I powergame when I have time. At weekends if I dont want to go out ill be playing this for 10hrs without moving (happened last weekend 10:00-20:00 when I thought "hmm getting hungry now" then continued after I ate till bout 2/3am) but id also like to get stuff done in the week when I have to work :) This game is fun enough to play in either style - if the way its setup isnt to your taste, try something else - i think your opinion of it being something to hurt U is an opinion a small minority of powergamers share, with powergamers also likely to be the minority of subscribers your currently a fairly small, slight whiney voice :) Also - ingame I should likely imagine your not going to be the one envious of the casual gamers but the other way around. Unless you have some sort of god complex, casual gamers looking up to U as U have more/better equipment/strategies from actual time spent playing should be enough without owning them on experience too. I really think your worrying about nothing. Sorry as that did sound a little like a personal attack/flame - it wasnt meant to be but rather a concerted effort to make U see the futility of your arguement. [Edited by mercutio98uk at 4:14 PM on 11/10/2004] |
Adventurer  Posts: 232 Joined: 16 May 2004   | To comment on the recent posts, I agree. You have to ask yourself: "How do I win an MMORPG?" Is it by becomming the highest level ever?; I've been that and left the game so I'm not world champion anymore and, besides, I was playing to play not being paid as the world champion :) Surely the point is that we have our own goals and, more importantly, we're just trying to have fun. Anyway, that's why I'm playing WoW.
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Killed 10 Boars Posts: 12 Joined: 27 Feb 2005 | That is possibly the WORST idea i have ever heard. stop being suhc a baby and just play the game instead of trying to make other people bad by setting a time limit to how much you can play. |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 96 Joined: 22 Oct 2004  | ok........ i dont remember who actually started the forum after reading all the way threw it, but let me give him shit for a minute...::takes deep breath:: ok first of all....your a friggen retard, your one of those people that cry because the games to hard for them, and i love laughing at those people. WoW is a VERY easy game, and even if you had this stupid "10" hour xp limit thing, people would be 60 in like a week. I came from Lineage2 where if you wanted to keep up, you HAD to make it your life...thats why i got left behind...then i came to WoW and i was like WTF EASY!!!!!! and got 60 in no time WITH OUT playing 10 hours a day. Now you do have to realise "dude who started this ghey forum" there ARE people out there that have no life, you know..the ones that are 35 years old, live in there moms basement, and only eat pizza bites and poptarts which there mom has to make for them. The ones who wack off to Night Elfs because they have never seen a human female other than there mom. Now i kno there some of those people will be reading this forum when teh servers are down, and im going to tell those people "Its ok the Servers will be up soon, dont shoot yourself. And go get your SPF 300 and go out into the sunlight, its ok, as long as your not in it more than 5 mins with your SPF 300 you shouldnt burn" Ok now about the "Wouldnt it suck if you went on a vacation and came back and had to to homework, then you couldnt catch up with anyone" thing.....................YOUR A FRIGGEN RETARD! ITS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT IF YOU GO ON A VACATION, THE OTHER 100,000 PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED FOR YOUR RETARDEDNESS! and what are those people that live in there moms basement to do? wath cartoons for a week? no silly they only do that when teh servers are down while the read the forums. AND you can catch them, its called "Rest XP" idiot....
sooooo basicly GG and shaddup your dumb. peace i dont think this forum needs to be posted on anymore, seeing that i slammed on him enough, and hes prolly hangin himself......<3<3<3 [Edited by Serak at 3:27 PM on 8/22/2005] |
Killed 10 Boars Posts: 21 Joined: 17 Oct 2005 | ok so i doubt anyone is still reading this thread but a couple of things about rest xp. it only goes to a certain point, like 2 lvls or something. so no matter how much u rest the amount the amount of rest xp u can get is fixed. this will help casual gamers more than hardcore gamers but not by a great deal. even hardcore gamers need to sleep and stuff. so even if u play for 10 hours a day u still get 12 hours worth of rest xp. the people who get the most out of this will be standard casual gamers, but all gamers wil benefit from the rest xp. its not a punishment for anyone its a benefit for all, it just benefits some players more than others |
Ding! (Grats!) Posts: 32 Joined: 19 Oct 2006 | so basicly aga your saying that people who work hard and strive should get punished just cause they are higher and might get better items then u huh wow i have to say there is a couple words for you lets see 1: idiot 2: noob 3: dee dee dee 4: a person who likes killing kittens. oh and if you think this idea is going to be put in to place well your obviously more stupid then i thought your deserve to have your WoW account banned for such a stupid suggestion |
Looking For Group Posts: 103 Joined: 8 Jul 2005    | This thread was started 3 years ago, the last reply before yours was 1 year ago. Dont resurrect very old threads. Iceman Iceman, Orc Warrior 70, Mug'thol |
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Aga-sucks. No, there is no good side. This is a fool's errand of an idea and I completely resent it. So what if you go on a trip? Its your fault if you dont get more levels, not anyone elses. Thats just retarded. Thats my two-cents.